which languages use arabic alphabet?

I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

p***@abo.fi

2007-06-30 20:26:13 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

Peter T. Daniels

2007-06-30 21:13:57 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.

Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-06-30 23:13:12 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

Malay is also sometimes written in arabic based script.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,

English in Madagascar?? I know of Malagasy in Madagascar. English is
occassionally writtten in Urdu script by Pakistanis.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

p***@abo.fi

2007-07-01 00:01:10 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

Malay is also sometimes written in arabic based script.

Oh yes. And I can guess that so is Tausug.

English in Madagascar?? I know of Malagasy in Madagascar. English is
occassionally writtten in Urdu script by Pakistanis.

Interesting. Continuous discourse, or just borrowed words and phrases?

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-07-01 00:10:46 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

Malay is also sometimes written in arabic based script.

Oh yes. And I can guess that so is Tausug.

English in Madagascar?? I know of Malagasy in Madagascar. English is
occassionally writtten in Urdu script by Pakistanis.

Interesting. Continuous discourse, or just borrowed words and phrases?

I see it in menus and signs in the US by pakistani immigrants

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-01 02:12:27 UTC

Post by Yusuf B Gursey
English is

Post by Yusuf B Gursey
occassionally writtten in Urdu script by Pakistanis.

Interesting. Continuous discourse, or just borrowed words and phrases?

I see it in menus and signs in the US by pakistani immigrants-

That's a whole other topos. In Jackson Heights, Queens, where most of
the North Indian scripts can be seen on storefronts, they almost
always are used for English words and phrases!

Though one store does have a handsome Bismillah in its window.

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-07-01 02:51:31 UTC

Post by Yusuf B Gursey
English is

Post by Yusuf B Gursey
occassionally writtten in Urdu script by Pakistanis.

Interesting. Continuous discourse, or just borrowed words and phrases?

I see it in menus and signs in the US by pakistani immigrants-

That's a whole other topos. In Jackson Heights, Queens, where most of
the North Indian scripts can be seen on storefronts, they almost
always are used for English words and phrases!

the calligarphic logo of PIA, the Pakistani airline, reads pi: 'a:y
'e: !

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Though one store does have a handsome Bismillah in its window.

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-01 02:10:06 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

Malay is also sometimes written in arabic based script.

English in Madagascar?? I know of Malagasy in Madagascar.

See WWS p. 762 s.v. Munthe.

This isn't the best place to tell you, but you will at least know the
name: Alan Kaye died on May 31. Bone cancer was discovered on May 1,
in UAE where he was teaching; his son brought him home to Fullerton on
May 22; chemo was apparently working, but he succumbed to pneumonia.
It wasn't announced until a couple of weeks later. He was 63.

Post by Yusuf B Gursey
English is
occassionally writtten in Urdu script by Pakistanis.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian,

We all forgot to mention Ottoman Turkish!

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-07-01 04:20:33 UTC

We all forgot to mention Ottoman Turkish!- Hide quoted text -

I did in another post. I'll never forget it.

p***@abo.fi

2007-06-30 23:59:35 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

And the Slavic variety spoken in Bosnia - I think I have seen
specimens in some book about Slavic languages. Now it cannot be called
Serbo-Croatian anymore, but I guess "literary Neo-Shtokavian" caters
well for Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin.

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-07-01 00:12:41 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

importantly Ottoman Turkish.

Post by p***@abo.fi
And the Slavic variety spoken in Bosnia - I think I have seen

Bosnian .

Post by p***@abo.fi
specimens in some book about Slavic languages. Now it cannot be called
Serbo-Croatian anymore, but I guess "literary Neo-Shtokavian" caters
well for Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-01 02:14:17 UTC

Post by p***@abo.fi
And the Slavic variety spoken in Bosnia - I think I have seen
specimens in some book about Slavic languages. Now it cannot be called
Serbo-Croatian anymore, but I guess "literary Neo-Shtokavian" caters
well for Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin.-

I've looked for samples of Bosnian but haven't found any.

The New York Times used to have a photo on p. 2 nearly every day of
some sign or placard in some funny language.

The best one was from the Seoul Olympics, showing lots of country
names in Korean alphabetical order.

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-07-01 02:53:53 UTC

I've looked for samples of Bosnian but haven't found any.

I had found some, forgot the reference a long time ago. but a couple
of Bosnian poets did achieve status for their work in Ottoman times.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
The New York Times used to have a photo on p. 2 nearly every day of
some sign or placard in some funny language.
The best one was from the Seoul Olympics, showing lots of country
names in Korean alphabetical order.

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-01 11:55:02 UTC

I've looked for samples of Bosnian but haven't found any.

I had found some, forgot the reference a long time ago. but a couple
of Bosnian poets did achieve status for their work in Ottoman times.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
The New York Times used to have a photo on p. 2 nearly every day of
some sign or placard in some funny language.

I want contemporary ones.

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-07-02 00:05:04 UTC

I've looked for samples of Bosnian but haven't found any.

I had found some, forgot the reference a long time ago. but a couple
of Bosnian poets did achieve status for their work in Ottoman times.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
The New York Times used to have a photo on p. 2 nearly every day of
some sign or placard in some funny language.

I want contemporary ones.

perhaps for religious purposes there are examples of modern bosnian
using arabic based script. it is used for religious purposes in
uzbekistan and presumeably other central asian countries, at least so
in soviet times. in greece ottoman script is still used for religious
purposes. these religious uses are aside from its use for arabic,of
course.

p***@abo.fi

2007-07-01 14:29:11 UTC

I've looked for samples of Bosnian but haven't found any.

"The Slavic Languages" in Routledge's Language Families series MIGHT
include a sample, but I am not sure.

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-01 18:52:56 UTC

I've looked for samples of Bosnian but haven't found any.

"The Slavic Languages" in Routledge's Language Families series MIGHT
include a sample, but I am not sure.

Do you mean *The Slavonic Languages*, ed. Comrie & Corbett? Cubberley
describes but does not illustrate Arabic script for Belarusian and
Bosnian, with references to Soviet sources very unlikely to be
available here (the Belarusian one was published in 1968 in a city
that appears to transliterate as Vilnius, which is a bit surprising).

p***@abo.fi

2007-07-01 20:05:14 UTC

I've looked for samples of Bosnian but haven't found any.

"The Slavic Languages" in Routledge's Language Families series MIGHT
include a sample, but I am not sure.

Do you mean *The Slavonic Languages*, ed. Comrie & Corbett? Cubberley
describes but does not illustrate Arabic script for Belarusian and
Bosnian,

OK, so my memory obviously didn't quite serve. :(

with references to Soviet sources very unlikely to be

Post by Peter T. Daniels
available here (the Belarusian one was published in 1968 in a city
that appears to transliterate as Vilnius, which is a bit surprising).

Not that surprising, considering what a backwater Belarus itself has
always been in comparison with the Baltic States - even and especially
in the Soviet times.

Trond Engen

2007-07-01 20:54:16 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels
with references to Soviet sources very unlikely to be
available here (the Belarusian one was published in 1968 in a city
that appears to transliterate as Vilnius, which is a bit surprising).

Not that surprising, considering what a backwater Belarus itself has
always been in comparison with the Baltic States - even and especially
in the Soviet times.

Or it may be a result of Vilnius' pre-Soviet history as a multilingual
metropolis. Not disregarding the Jiddisch and German speaking
communities, the city is close to what used to be the language border
between Lithuanian and Slavic and the religuous border between the Roman
Catholic and the Russian Orthodox church. AFAIK the demography (or
ethnography) of its population before WW1 is still disputed.

And I just might have a clue to the Arabic script Belarusian. I remember
reading many years ago of a couple of south Lithuanian villages with a
population of moslem Tartars, descendants of refugees from the Russian
Tartar wars. (Yes, here's a web page about them:
<http://www.szlachta.org/2selim.htm>. Note the name of the author.)
Apparently, they were linguistically assimilated by the end of the 18th
century, divided in a Polish-speaking nobility and a Belarusian-speaking
peaople.

I'll leave the rest to someone with some actual knowledge of the history
of the Polish-Lithuanian union.

--
Trond Engen
- out on a sidetrack again

Trond Engen

2007-07-01 22:11:38 UTC

Post by Trond Engen

Not that surprising, considering what a backwater Belarus itself has
always been in comparison with the Baltic States - even and especially
in the Soviet times.

Or it may be a result of Vilnius' pre-Soviet history as a multilingual
metropolis. Not disregarding the Jiddisch and German speaking
communities, the city is close to what used to be the language border
between Lithuanian and Slavic and the religuous border between the Roman
Catholic and the Russian Orthodox church. AFAIK the demography (or
ethnography) of its population before WW1 is still disputed.
And I just might have a clue to the Arabic script Belarusian. I remember
reading many years ago of a couple of south Lithuanian villages with a
population of moslem Tartars, descendants of refugees from the Russian
<http://www.szlachta.org/2selim.htm>. Note the name of the author.)
Apparently, they were linguistically assimilated by the end of the 18th
century, divided in a Polish-speaking nobility and a Belarusian-speaking
peaople.
I'll leave the rest to someone with some actual knowledge of the history
of the Polish-Lithuanian union.

Nah. Of course I won't.

The archives of the English language exile-Lithuanian Quarterly journal
Lituanus has what appears to be a decent -- although obviously written
from a Lithuanian viewpoint -- article on the turbulent history of the
multinational university (<http://www.lituanus.org/1981_2/81_2_03.htm>).

On its web page
(<http://www.leidykla.vu.lt/inetleid/sc-re_01/fakai/11-FILOL.html>) the
Institute of Slavic Filology at the Universty of Vilnius lists "Slavic
texts of muslim content written using the Arabic characters" among its
research interests. The head of the institute, Prof. Sergejus Temčinas,
seems to be in charge of this particular field.

--
Trond Engen
- boosting his knowledge of Lithuanian history in less than an hour

John Atkinson

2007-07-02 00:27:21 UTC

I've looked for samples of Bosnian but haven't found any.

"The Slavic Languages" in Routledge's Language Families series MIGHT
include a sample, but I am not sure.

It doesn't. However it does include a section (pp 46-7) on the use of
Arabic script in both Belorussia (starting from the arrival of the
Tartars in 13-14th century) and Bosnia (16-20th century).

It includes details of how Arabic script was adapted from the form wused
for Turkish to deal with Slavic phonemes.

It gives several references, all in Slavic languages, at least some of
which will have the samples you're after.

John.

Xabi

2007-07-01 04:29:01 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

That's a nice exhibition of erudition,and I could add some other
languages that have been written using the Arabic script, but the OP
asked explicitly for:
"a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the arabic
alphabet".
Note the word "modern" and the present tense of "employs".

Javi

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-01 11:59:35 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

That's a nice exhibition of erudition,and I could add some other
languages that have been written using the Arabic script, but the OP
"a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the arabic
alphabet".
Note the word "modern" and the present tense of "employs".

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

p***@abo.fi

2007-07-01 14:35:48 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?

Richard Wordingham

2007-07-01 16:23:06 UTC

... but the OP
"a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the arabic
alphabet".

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Examples comparable to writing English in runes ought to be filtered out.

Post by p***@abo.fi
Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?

Perhaps not morally reprehensible, but it has problems, such as completely
omitting Pattani Malay. On the other hand, it has the advantage of
excluding of avoiding the necessity of working out what the
Rohingya-speakers do use.

Richard.

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-01 18:54:00 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

The more interesting phenomena are likely to be found in nonstandard
varieties.

p***@abo.fi

2007-07-01 20:06:04 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-01 21:07:02 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find an Arabic philologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

p***@abo.fi

2007-07-02 00:05:11 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find an Arabic philologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

Do you suggest there is no modern literature worth mentioning?

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-02 02:17:38 UTC

Post by p***@abo.fi
Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find an Arabic philologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

Do you suggest there is no modern literature worth mentioning?-

Modern Islamic literature is not studied in traditional philologically
oriented departments, but in "area studies" departments. The American
Oriental Society has a Section (one of five) for Pre-Modern Islamic
Civilization (and is the principal scholarly organization for that
field); the modern period is represented in MESA, the Middle East
Studies Association.

p***@abo.fi

2007-07-02 09:39:26 UTC

Post by p***@abo.fi
Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find an Arabic philologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

Do you suggest there is no modern literature worth mentioning?-

Modern Islamic literature is not studied in traditional philologically
oriented departments, but in "area studies" departments.

I see. Well, then I can just this once admit, that I have used the
word "philology" erroneously in English, under the interference of my
native language.

Joachim Pense

2007-07-02 17:58:44 UTC

Post by p***@abo.fi
Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find an Arabic philologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

Do you suggest there is no modern literature worth mentioning?-

Modern Islamic literature is not studied in traditional philologically
oriented departments, but in "area studies" departments.

I see. Well, then I can just this once admit, that I have used the
word "philology" erroneously in English, under the interference of my
native language.

Same for me, the "Islamische Philologen" I know and know about don't
restrict themselves to old literature.

Joachim

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-07-02 00:19:57 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabicalphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long -Arabic,Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
SoraniKurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyondArabicin tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
anArabicscript. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

That's a nice exhibition of erudition,and I could add some other
languages that have been written using theArabicscript, but the OP
"a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs thearabic
alphabet".
Note the word "modern" and the present tense of "employs".

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find anArabicphilologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

modern arabic poetry and drama and novels, stories (remember Naguib
Mahfouz?) are of interest in the university here.

Xabi

2007-07-02 02:14:59 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabicalphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long -Arabic,Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
SoraniKurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyondArabicin tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
anArabicscript. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

That's a nice exhibition of erudition,and I could add some other
languages that have been written using theArabicscript, but the OP
"a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs thearabic
alphabet".
Note the word "modern" and the present tense of "employs".

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find anArabicphilologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

modern arabic poetry and drama and novels, stories (remember Naguib
Mahfouz?) are of interest in the university here

I also like Amin Maalouf .

Javi

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-02 02:18:48 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabicalphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long -Arabic,Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
SoraniKurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyondArabicin tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
anArabicscript. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

That's a nice exhibition of erudition,and I could add some other
languages that have been written using theArabicscript, but the OP
"a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs thearabic
alphabet".
Note the word "modern" and the present tense of "employs".

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find anArabicphilologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

modern arabic poetry and drama and novels, stories (remember Naguib
Mahfouz?) are of interest in the university here.-

"Here"? Your email address suggests you are located in "the world."

In which department?

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-07-02 02:36:21 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabicalphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long -Arabic,Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
SoraniKurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyondArabicin tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
anArabicscript. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

That's a nice exhibition of erudition,and I could add some other
languages that have been written using theArabicscript, but the OP
"a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs thearabic
alphabet".
Note the word "modern" and the present tense of "employs".

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find anArabicphilologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

modern arabic poetry and drama and novels, stories (remember Naguib
Mahfouz?) are of interest in the university here.-

"Here"? Your email address suggests you are located in "the world."
In which department?

Near Eastern Languages and Literatures. it includes everything from
Akkadian to Classical and Modern Arabic Literature.

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-02 02:41:27 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabicalphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long -Arabic,Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
SoraniKurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyondArabicin tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
anArabicscript. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

That's a nice exhibition of erudition,and I could add some other
languages that have been written using theArabicscript, but the OP
"a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs thearabic
alphabet".
Note the word "modern" and the present tense of "employs".

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find anArabicphilologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

modern arabic poetry and drama and novels, stories (remember Naguib
Mahfouz?) are of interest in the university here.-

"Here"? Your email address suggests you are located in "the world."
In which department?

Near Eastern Languages and Literatures. it includes everything from
Akkadian to Classical and Modern Arabic Literature.-

Well, Anonymous University is unusual in comparison to most American
universities.

Yusuf B Gursey

2007-07-02 02:45:47 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabicalphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long -Arabic,Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
SoraniKurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyondArabicin tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
anArabicscript. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

That's a nice exhibition of erudition,and I could add some other
languages that have been written using theArabicscript, but the OP
"a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs thearabic
alphabet".
Note the word "modern" and the present tense of "employs".

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Are you suggesting that there is something morally reprehensible about
focusing on standard languages officially sanctioned?-

It's not something a linguist would do.

What about a philologist?-

Find anArabicphilologist who takes any interest at all in anything
written in the last couple of centuries (or since 1000 AH).

modern arabic poetry and drama and novels, stories (remember Naguib
Mahfouz?) are of interest in the university here.-

"Here"? Your email address suggests you are located in "the world."
In which department?

Near Eastern Languages and Literatures. it includes everything from
Akkadian to Classical and Modern Arabic Literature.-

Well, Anonymous University is unusual in comparison to most American
universities.

but well known if I gave the name.

Xabi

2007-07-01 17:46:27 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Not at all. I was somehow shocked to see Belarusian listed. Is the
Arabic script commonly used nowadays for writing Belarusian? And
Afrikaans?

Javi

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-01 18:56:13 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Not at all. I was somehow shocked to see Belarusian listed. Is the
Arabic script commonly used nowadays for writing Belarusian? And
Afrikaans?

Are there many practicing Muslim Belarusians? AIUI, there is still a
vital "Colored" (i.e. "Indian," including modern "Pakistani")
community in South Africa.

Xabi

2007-07-01 22:47:14 UTC

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I seek a list of languages, whose modern orthography employs the
arabic alphabet.

Have you tried to compile one, using Wikipedia? The list would
obviously be very long - Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri,
Sorani Kurdish, Pashtu...

You'll find ten of them beyond Arabic in tables in *The World's
Writing Systems*, with mentions of a number of others.
Basically, wherever Islam has gone, languages have been written with
an Arabic script. English in Madagascar and Afrikaans in South Africa,
for instance. Also Malay, Swahili, Hausa, Uyghur, Belarusian,
Albanian, ...

Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Not at all. I was somehow shocked to see Belarusian listed. Is the
Arabic script commonly used nowadays for writing Belarusian? And
Afrikaans?

Are there many practicing Muslim Belarusians?

So, your answer is no, Belarusian is not commonly written nowadays
using the arabic script.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
AIUI, there is still a
vital "Colored" (i.e. "Indian," including modern "Pakistani")
community in South Africa.

I know; the question was whether they commoly use the Arabic script
for writing Afrikaans; so, your answer is "I don't know".

Javi

Harlan Messinger

2007-07-02 11:37:49 UTC

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Are you suggesting something like government sanction as the criterion
for acceptable use of a script?

Not at all. I was somehow shocked to see Belarusian listed. Is the
Arabic script commonly used nowadays for writing Belarusian? And
Afrikaans?

Are there many practicing Muslim Belarusians? AIUI, there is still a
vital "Colored" (i.e. "Indian," including modern "Pakistani")
community in South Africa.

From Omniglot:

"Belarusian has also been written with the Arabic script by Belarusian
Tartars and with the Hebrew script by Belarusian Jews." Doesn't say when.

"From about 1815 Afrikaans started to replace Malay as the language of
instruction in Muslim schools in South Africa. At that time it was
written with the Arabic alphabet. Afrikaans, written with the Latin
alphabet, started to appeared in newspapers and political and religious
works in about 1850."

Harlan Messinger

2007-07-02 11:42:49 UTC

Post by Harlan Messinger

Post by Xabi
Not at all. I was somehow shocked to see Belarusian listed. Is the
Arabic script commonly used nowadays for writing Belarusian? And
Afrikaans?

Are there many practicing Muslim Belarusians? AIUI, there is still a
vital "Colored" (i.e. "Indian," including modern "Pakistani")
community in South Africa.

"Belarusian has also been written with the Arabic script by Belarusian
Tartars and with the Hebrew script by Belarusian Jews." Doesn't say when.

From Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_Arabic_alphabet:

"The Belarusian Arabic alphabet was based on the Arabic script and was
developed in the 16th century (possibly 15th). It consisted of
twenty-eight graphemes, including several additions to represent
Belarusian sounds not found in Arabic.

"The Belarusian Arabic alphabet was used by the Lipka Tatars, who had
been invited to settle on Belarusian territories. During the 14th-16th
centuries they gradually stopped using their own language and started
using the Old Belarusian language rendered in the Belarusian Arabic
alphabet. Books of that literary tradition are known as Kitab
(Belarusian: "Кітаб"), which is the Arabic word for book."

For that matter: "Some Polish texts were also written in the Arabic
script, dated not earlier than 17th century.[citation needed]"

Harlan Messinger

2007-07-02 11:48:51 UTC

Post by Harlan Messinger
"From about 1815 Afrikaans started to replace Malay as the language of
instruction in Muslim schools in South Africa. At that time it was
written with the Arabic alphabet. Afrikaans, written with the Latin
alphabet, started to appeared in newspapers and political and religious
works in about 1850."

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_Afrikaans.

Peter T. Daniels

2007-07-02 17:35:48 UTC